Avilla wasn’t the only one collecting her own followers, of course. Cerise was teaching witchcraft to Tina’s childhood friend Beri, and she’d picked up a couple of other novices as well. She’d also more or less taken over Corinna’s band of warrior dryads, and she’d been continuing our experiments with powering up the nature spirits by pouring mana into their land.
“You’re going to love all the benefits you get out of the deal,” she told me. “It’s working just like we thought. I feed magic from my amulet into their land, and it makes them stronger. Then they do their thing, and it makes me stronger too.”
“Their thing?” I asked.
She grinned at me. “You’ll see. Pelagia is going to hold a revel for you, to get things going with her grove. It’s heady stuff, the way they practically worship you when they’re showing their appreciation.”
“I’m not a god,” I pointed out.
“Not yet. This is going to make both of us demigods, though, and I bet we don’t stop there. What are the odds we can get our hands on some of Idun’s apples before this war ends?”
“Speaking of which, I noticed a substantial change in your life force,” Elin put in. “I don’t think you’re as mortal as you were when you left. Do you have any idea what could have caused that?”
“Huh. Interesting. Well, it turns out that Gaea grows magic bananas that work a lot like the golden apples in Asgard.”
“What’s a banana?” Tina asked curiously.
“Wait, you stole some?” Cerise exclaimed. “I want one!”
“A kind of fruit that doesn’t grow in Europe,” I told Tina. “And no, I didn’t steal any. I didn’t even know what they were, until Mara gave me one.”
Everyone looked a bit startled at that.
“She must really like you,” Tina observed.
I shrugged. “She’s kind of a mess. I think she’s interested, but her family problems are as bad as it gets. Her mother’s holding her immortality hostage, the brothers she grew up with are a bunch of rapists, and she’s so desperate for her father’s approval that she’ll happily help him murder everyone in Europe.”
Cerise and Avilla exchanged a speculative look.
“We were wondering if it was something like that,” Avilla said. “But, her own brother?”
“More than one of them,” I corrected. “Gaea set things up so that would happen on purpose. I’m not sure if she’s just a cruel bitch, or if there’s some devious purpose to it all. Either way, Mara’s a long way from being over it.”
“We have to help her,” Tina declared.
“I’d like to,” Avilla agreed. “But I’m not sure it’s wise. There’s not much to be done for people who aren’t right in the head, and she’s very powerful. If she ever has a breakdown, or just has a bad day and lashes out, people could die.”
Elin sighed. “I agree with you, Avilla. She’s a risk, and an added complication to what is already a quite complicated situation. But can we really turn her away, if she comes to us for help? If she has really endured such a horror, and come out of it unbroken, I can’t help but feel sympathy for her.”
“Sounds like we’re moving on to the heavy subjects,” Cerise said. “Good timing, because I’m completely stuffed. How about we take this discussion to the ritual chamber?”
“It has the best wards,” Avilla agreed.
It was also isolated and soundproof, so we’d be able to keep anyone from overhearing us. If there was anywhere we could make plans without being spied on, it was there.
“So, what all do we need to talk about?” I asked once the doors were safely sealed.
“Can you tell us more about how the mission went?” Avilla said. “I didn’t dare ask before, but it should be safe to talk here.”
I shrugged. “I planted the device. If it worked right the andregi won’t have any more sleeping warriors to wake, so they’ll stop getting reinforcements any day now. There were a couple of complications, though.”
I went on to describe Brand’s disastrous raid on the Halls of Slumber, and my own encounter with Mara. Elin still seemed a little miffed about that, but Cerise and Tina were all smiles.
“Do you think we can make an ally of her?” Avilla sked.
“Definitely. She’s pretty attached to her father’s side of the family, so I don’t think she’s going to turn on them. But on a personal level she’s desperate for companionship, and I think we connected. Besides, she’s already asked for my help with something that’s pretty important to her. It seems she’s about to have a little sister, and she’s trying to find some way to keep the poor girl from growing up the way she did.”
That required more explanation, of course. By the time I’d finished the tale Elin had reluctantly come around to lobbying in Mara’s favor.
“This will, however, be quite dangerous,” she observed. “If Gaea is pregnant she will likely avoid battle, and stealing a child from her would not be easy. I don’t know how we could hide the girl for any length of time.”
“Hiding isn’t going to work,” I said. “The only way we survive getting involved in this, is if Gaea dies before Ragnarok is over.”
They all stared at me in shocked silence for a long moment.
“Can you kill a goddess, Daniel?” Tina asked timidly.
“Not by myself,” I admitted. “But I’m sure the Aesir will be doing everything they can to take her down. What we need to do is watch, make preparations, and be ready to strike when the opportunity presents itself. Cerise, Elin, who worships Gaea these days?”
“Mostly just her children,” Cerise said. “Goblins, trolls, hags and ape men.”
“So far as I am aware there are no human cults who honor her,” Elin agreed. “Nor do the elves or dwarves pay her homage. She has rejected all but the most primitive worshippers for ages now.”
“That’s good. The andregi live in Skogheim. What about the rest of those races?”
Cerise stretched out across the collection of pillows and blankets that covered the floor of the ritual chamber, and put her head in Avilla’s lap. “Most of them live here on Midgard, but I think I’ve heard something about goblins in Jotunheim before. Elin?”
The delicate faerie settled herself on a pile of pillows beside me, and frowned in thought. “Yes, I believe you are correct. Hags live in the wilder swamps and woods of Europe, while goblins and trolls inhabit the mountains. Goblin tribes are also found in the mountains of Jotunheim, and possibly the jungles of Skogheim. They’re hardy creatures, and very difficult to eradicate.”
“Is there anything you don’t know?” Tina asked her.
“Many things,” Elin replied.
“If you say so. Here, let me take this down for you while you smart people talk.” Tina started working on Elin’s hair, removing the ornaments that were woven into her hairdo and brushing it out.
“Thank you, dear. Daniel, are you relying on the Julian hypothesis of divine power here? Because I must caution you that no firm link has ever been demonstrated between a god’s power and the number of his worshipers.”
“No, it’s not that simple,” I said. “Gods don’t get their power from worshippers. But I know a little bit about why it’s so hard to kill a god, beyond just the fact that they’re powerful. A church is one of the things that they use to anchor themselves to this plane of existence, and a goddess who doesn’t have one anymore is a lot easier for the other gods to kill.”
Cerise chuckled. “That’s one way to get the job done. Tina, these are serious secrets of the gods here, so don’t ever talk about them outside this room. Alright?”
“My lips are sealed,” the catgirl replied.
“Good. We’d need to make sure her sons die too, and scour Skogheim clean of ape men somehow. I don’t know how we’d pull that off.”
“Neither do I,” I said. “But once again, the Aesir are already working on it. I’m not sure what Brand was really doing there, but I don’t think it was as simple as a botched raid. He had some kind of magic device implanted under his skin, and the more I think about it the more convinced I am that he let himself get captured.”
Elin nodded thoughtfully. “Odin is known as a crafty god. It would be quite in character for him to rely on some form of subterfuge to eliminate the threat of the andregi, or to somehow neutralize Gaea.”
“I don’t think even Odin can just ‘neutralize’ an elder goddess,” Avilla commented. “But that raid has given us a more immediate complication to deal with. Daniel, Prince Caspar seems to be dead. He led most of Kozalin’s best knights through the Dark Portal on that raid, and only a handful of them returned.”
“Oh. So, who’s in charge of the city now?” I asked.
“That’s the problem. Pelagia tells me there’s no one in the city with enough support to take over, and with the king besieged again he’s in no position to enforce a decree. There are four dukes in town, all of about the same standing, and they spent most of the afternoon arguing with each other about what to do next. The Conclave isn’t likely to take orders from any of them, and neither will what’s left of the church.”
“Great. What about the city government?”
“The mayor died in the devourer attack, along with most of the city council. With all the chaos of the earthquake and invasion they haven’t managed to replace them, so for now each guild and district is running itself.”
“I hear there are some rabble-rousers working the refugee shelters too,” Cerise said. “Blaming the nobles for the food shortage, and getting the young men all worked up. I’m not sure who they’re working for, but I bet there’s some kind of uprising coming.”
“The prince was also the one responsible for treating with the faerie,” Elin pointed out. “The Summer Queen won’t deign to meet with a man who isn’t royalty, so without him to carry on the negotiations there’s scant hope of aid from that quarter.”
I sighed. “So what you’re telling me is, Kozalin is about to fall apart?”
They all nodded.
“Perhaps a miracle will occur, and all the city’s factions will come together under a single banner,” Elin said. “But the chances of that are slim. The nobles will not follow a wizard, the wizards will not follow a noble, the commoners are restive and the church serves only the gods. Without a royal to unite the city’s factions, I fear Kozalin will soon descend into chaos.”
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whens the release date the wait is killa and th teasers are a slow death oh well more please your books rock
Sir, I my humble ask when thou shall you bless me with thy tales.
Some interesting info in this one. Worshipers don’t appear to provide power, just anchors. So why the sacrifices? To reinforce belief? To empower specific spells?
I like that Daniel is taking into account the actions of the Aesir in re: Gaea. I doubt he’ll just rely on them, but he’s on good terms with Brand, so some under-the-table cooperation might be an option.
Not sure who’s going to end up in charge of Kozalin. Daniel can take over more territory now, and thus absorb more refugees, but he won’t want Aesir-worshiping zealots, and he won’t want to unite the noble factions against him, nor the Conclave. I suppose he could work with the Conclave to establish a “free city” zone and just ignore the nobility (what can they do against him?). I suspect we’re going to see more politicking soon though, as Daniel works to decide which faction, if any, to support.
Before you discuss how to take over Kozalin, you ought to discuss whether it is worth it. And, related to that, which parts you want.
Remember Cerise sacrifices her abilities to her god. I believe the sacrifices were for them to borrow the gods power. But its kinda like a 2 way street?
I hope this book isn’t too political. If they don’t want to corporate all Daniel needs to do is let them be Canon fodder while he improves his defenses and gather grateful people from all those ruined villages he passed.
Is the book going on to be released next year? Is it every month that we are going to get part of a chapter? You haven’t even updated if you are finished is in the process of reviewing your draft.
If this continues my “thrall in September” prediction is going to be way, way, way off.
And even if you finish this month, I’m mostly an audiobook man. I will have to wait till next year to purchase it… I will most likely have to buy the ebook, because I can’t wait 3 more months for the audio.
he said in the update before thrall 1 that he was changing how he is doing his publishing that he would only make chapters available to the general public after it had gone to the editor so to stop massive changes from occurring after people had read the chapters so us getting these updates should mean that it is already finished and is at the editor now.
That makes sense. I just thought he would have made an announcement “finished, gone to the editor”, or “finished, reviewing second / third draft”. Knowing where he is at in the process of putting the last fullstop in the book, to pressing the publish button on Amazon takes a lot of the edge off of waiting. It gives you a time frame.
Just publishing parts of chapters without notes or announcements, while greedily accepted, is just a stopgap in the anxiety of waiting. You can only take so much.
This continues to be interesting; I look forward to the book 🙂
There are many options regarding what to do:
*Preparing to abandon Kozalin, making plans to take the best parts along.
*Go get the nearest relative and have them crowned. There’s still a king, right? Caspar was just a prince.
*Find out what the rules are for becoming royalty and rules-lawyering the heck out of them.
*Expand Castle Black, draining/buying resources from Kozalin until what’s left is insignificant.
I find it mildly annoying that all of the story is written at this point and the actions decided, which is amusing to realize. I’ve been getting used to webnovels where my direct chapter-to-chapter feedback and speculation might well have the author go “ooh, nice idea, gonna steal it”. It’s kind of a nice energy to feel. (Not nice enough to have me shell out $60 per year unless I get a bit richer, but nice even so.)
Is elin royalty? if hes married to her isn’t he by proxy? not sure as im not certen of her status in fairy.
Would depend on a) how the fae define royalty and b) whether very much foreignif not to say alien royalty would count for anything in this context with the human factions of a human country. Elin might qualify on the first part – i personally doubt it given what we know about her origin story, but in the absence of WoG there’s a possibility i guess – the second though would almost certainly be a resounding “No!”. Leaving aside for a moment that it would be like say the wrong-side-of-the-bedsheets byblow of some surplus princess from a middle-eastern emirate trying to claim royal authority in Newark nobody outside Daniel’s little island community trusts Elin farther than they can throw her grendel form on a quite personal level, especially the Conclave.
Royalty, old style, control not only the titles, but the permission to marry. She ‘married’ Daniel outside of the court, and without permission. Even with the ‘marriage,’ he might be lucky to be called ‘Consort.’
Elin pointed out. “The Summer Queen won’t deign to meet with a man who isn’t royalty, so without him to carry on the negotiations there’s scant hope of aid from that quarter.”
So, recognizing Daniel – “immortal” or not, as a member of the family, or “royalty” is unlikely
Loki is destroying the Summer Court in England. If (very iffy) Daniel could save them, he might get ‘ally’ status, but long lived (true immortals?) fae, who have ruled for millennium, who believe that they are divinely chosen to rule (an possibly really were!), are unlikely to extend Daniel high status, or recognize him as ‘family.’
I dont think it matters he’s from America and are Rolyalty here is based on money and power not blood and he’s got that in spades!
Wasn’t the question, “Is elin royalty? if hes married to her isn’t he by proxy?”
And, ‘we’re not in Kansas any more.” He’s not in America.
It doesn’t matter if they accept him or not – unless he needs their help for some reason. He is the top of the food chain in the Black Citadel. But, elsewhere…?
Not so much.
Historically, the rules on who is “royalty” have varied wildly. Some are appointed to that status, some born into it, some marry into it, some buy it, some seize it and some are rewarded with it. And the end of the day, what matters is practical politics and cultural norms.
Practical politics means that if someone “rules” an area, you treat them like the ruler. You may like them, hate them, admire them or be disgusted by them. But they are the ruler (or person of Power if you prefer) and you deal with them as such.
Cultural norms are the rules set by law or tradition that dictates who “should” be treated like a person of power or ruler. If the Summer Queen of the Fey feels that a true royal must be the eldest surviving child of an acknowledged royal, then that belief will color her reactions. It does not eliminate practical politics, but does mean that individuals who her cultural normal support will get that respect/benefits of royalty status more easily — and with much less justification – than those who lack such support.
On that basis, If Elin is royalty, then Daniel has a better chance than most to be recognized as royal as he is closely associated with him. Even if not, Daniel has a chance simply because he has a lot of power and obviously capable of dealing with it (aka -hammering the dwarves for trying to steal from him).
One thought though — if Elin is royalty, will this force Daniel to actually “formally” marry his ladies?
Being a noble is a bad idea..it tied him directly to Odin and the Aesir. Expanding castle black could be a possibility because the main obstacle/Caspar is gone and everyone won’t spare effort to fight him but I wouldn’t risk doing it until the noble offed themselves fighting each other. And as for the new king idea? Not. Worth. It. Caspar’s death is a blessing because now everyone is at each other throat while Daniel can fortify himself and gathered allies without any one heading a counter offense. It basically amnesty for Avilla and a free 3 copy of pot of greed…a great advantage with no downside. Installing a new monarch is bad idea unless, and this is barely justifiable unless, that monarch is a member of his coven. This is, of course, assuming that all the key to power is installed by him without any resistance–a scenario that was basically not crowning but founding of a new kingdom under a paper thin guise of crowning…truth to be told it might payoff…in the next 2 decade but doing that for short-term goal is suicide. And given his power, some of Caspar’s relative will come to him for back-up anyway. Abandoned a well defend fort is stupid when you can make the fort moved.
No having a leader, and not needing one are two different things. The last line of the sample points it out.
Realistically, it only matters “if” he decides he needs the city. Last I read, it takes a population of 3 thousand to be stable, and ‘genetic drift’ will still loom large. I don’t think the Citadel has that population.
Also, the factions make organizing a defense of the city difficult. Right now, the wizards are essentially on Daniel’s side. However, if he tries to take over the city… they will need to be dealt with. And, as he has pointed out several times, “stop underestimating the local wizards.”
Assuming he wants to keep the city (and his continued efforts in that direction, and work to save it indicate that he does), he is going to have to address the issue.
There were one or more sisters to Caspar mentioned in BLACK COVEN.
DEFENCE OF KOZALIN
Just a thought for your consideration. Kozalin was described in Vol 2. as a walled city with a wide moat and guarded bridges, but that the moat was frozen. Now this negates one of the primary defensive advantages of the city allowing for multiple, wide-front axis’s for assault and makes the job of the defenders significantly more difficult, especially facing a numerically superior foe. Now Daniel has demonstrated his ability to open the sea-way by de-icing several miles of waterways and docks by using magic heat-stones. Logically if he can do this then surely it would be appropriate to use this proven method to also de-frost the moat!
This would restore many of the defensive advantages of the city by restricting the viable assault options for the andregi. Also it would help address the constant drain on the city’s defensive manpower by enabling them to concentrate forces as required at the assault points rather than having them spread out over the entire walls coverage. Sure there may be other attack magic that the andregi may possibly utilise, but this basic strategy would immediately address many of the issues currently facing the defenders as described. If Daniel ends up assuming a more significant role in the city’s defense then this option could be written into the plot. It provides a simple and immediate result that could only enhance his stature politically and militarily and reinforce his status in this scenario.
Secondly, thanks for the tit-bits you’re feeding us regarding the next volume, but could you please, pretty-please, expedite the finishing of the book. I’m dying for the next Fimbulwinter fix!
The Andregi are supposed to be dead or dieing. For all he knows the next attackers may be poisonous killer birds, wh just fly over the walls. And first he has to decide whether Kozalin can be held at all.
That has killed the Gaea’s strategic reserve of Andregi warriors. But as explained, for logistic reasons the assault came in waves, with two or three army’s in succession having been defeated already by the defenders, though at a cost. We know Daniel already passed one new army even whilst approaching underground and from the way the attacks have been phased it is quite possible that it and others may still be in transit to assault Kozalin. These forces still have to be defeated and already the garrison has suffered heavy losses which would only further increase. De-icing the moat offers improved chances for the defense to cope with those forces already in transit to attack Kozolin.
Secondly I did mention already that the Andregi may find some new attack magic, killer poisonous birds, or whatever as you call them. This is expected. But Kozalin still needs to address the problems the existing assaults are causing. Study any historic defence reveals a constant dynamic as attackers and defenders change their methods to meet changing tactical situations. But this dynamic usually occurs after one side or the other has countered an effective existing strategy, which is what the defenders are facing now. An example already exists of this dynamic as the andregi used aerial assault to counter the mortor’s initially, to which Daniel then countered by deploying AA guns.
Lastly it is also a political as well as military issue. Successful sieges have required a collapse of defenders morale. Anything that reduces casualties like this strategy would be of benefit. Sure they’ll come up with something new, but only if we can deal with what is happening now. It’s simple and helps put a gap between the andregi and an already traumatised populace. Plus it will raise Daniel’s kudos and improve his status as a new leader for the defence.
Sorry, AP (Anti-Pterodactyl) guns not AA guns
I am one of the Patrons, so I have read the coming chapters. Daniel actually does think about melting the ice that is on the moats.
However, the remaining Nobles rule big chunks of the city. They are scheming and battling to take over, and to succeed the Prince.
Simply taking over one (or more) of the city’s defenses, without authorization, would put him in the battle for rulership of the city – which he does not want to do. Yet.
If he asks for permission from one of the nobles in the contest, that is throwing his ‘support’ behind that person, as if he believes ‘they’ are the proper rules, which he also does not want to do.
So, as far as has been posted, the moat water is not melted, and no significant city defenses have been added by Daniel.
It’s an action that had to be considered, particularly if the city itself is to remain a viable resource. The question now is balancing military expediency against the socio-political impact. Unless Daniel can come up with some other magical answer to the defence problems, which I cant immediately see, then it becomes a question of timing if he is to implement this tactic. Since to me it appears simple and with immediate visible impact to the populace, it is almost a case of when and not if he should undertake this act. I’m awaiting with interest how he eventually addresses this conundrum, or what alternative he finds.
Also if he de-frosts all of the moat can he really be said to favour one contender over any of the others/
I once heard it said, “In Chicago, even the weather is political,” [Switching Channels – Christy Colleran (Kathleen Turner), with John L. Sullivan IV (Burt Reynolds, R.I.P)]
So, it is not what he does, but how it is perceived by the “Powers That Be,” or in this case – “Want to Be.”
Doing it without the permission of the “Powers,” the Dukes, is putting himself forward, or above their authority, which makes it look like he wants to take over, which will probably lead to them all trying to assassinate him.
Asking one or anther means he acknowledged their right to rule over others, and tangentially ‘supporting’ their run for power.
Asking them all would be time consuming, and of one denies permission, then what? Ignore them, and thereby make them an enemy? Then he really would have to make sure that they do not ‘win,’ which would further involve him in the power battle.
If he ‘acquiesces,’ he is acknowledging that one as supreme over the ones that said yes, and again supporting their position over the others. Then, he will get assassins from the other ones.
And, if they “all” say no, or ask for concessions that he does not want to pay, he cannot melt the moat without ignoring the will of the nobles, and future ruler to be of the city. And, in the future, he will be opposed by whoever wins the power play, either because he supported the other contender, or failed to support them when they were trying to take over.
Basically, it could be a huge pain.
That is where it stood as of the most recent chapter. Saying anything else would be ‘spoilery.’
its all about what he truely wants he could hold his distract easy could make it stronger and be done with it
The thing is to consider the city as a strategic resource. Tactical solutions deal with immediate problems with the defence. Having a viable city state offers greater scope on a long term strategic potential. The college offers multiple mages working on different problems as they occur. The military district offers greater manufacturing potential. even the civilian side offers cope for workforce utilisation. All these strategic potentials are off set by the increased demands inherent with the city defence. If Daniel goes back to purely his citadel then he is strictly limited to those resources and people he has on hand. One successful attack and he could lose much of his gains and has no replacement options, A larger district gives some scope for wider options, and the city yet more. The thing is this is fimbulwinter, a 1000 years plus of ice-age in the making. Daniel must consider the long term and the city offers more scope of strategic survival if (and its a big if) viable.
Breadcrumbs that lead to to the promised land. I’m mizing metaphors, i know. I can’t wait for Thrall!
Have you considered multiple power stones linked to a spell that shoots fire, clean air, and force straight up? Seems like a Daniel way of locally solving fimblwinter.
And thus lightning a giant beckon for the personal attention of Odin, Loki, and Gaia to converge on Black Island?
How things stand now, I think Daniel will be ignored, because it’s just an island that holding out. But if Daniel did something like that, which would also draw other humans from distant plains, all the monsters would rush there. They are in the process of wiping out mankind after all. Can’t be having those Odin loving, fire using, humans living comfortably, now can we?
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Mara is responsible for the deaths of thousands of people already, is that just going to be forgiven?
Yes. Yes it will. Her crotch game is too good, and she already got Daniel ensnared like the semen demon she is. And Cerise is a degenerate sex fiend. She would forgive anything if you made her orgasm hard and long enough. Mara is getting a full pass. Also she didn’t harm any of the people under Daniel’s protection. You have to realize that everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, that surrounds Daniel is a killer. Daniel, Elin, Cerise, Avilla. They all killed.
Only person who didn’t was probably Tina, and that is only because we haven’t followed her around. Maybe when she rescued Daniel from that pyre she had to knock someone out to drag Daniel away, or when they were escaping to the hover barge she knocked someone out, and they died because of that.
But fool yourself not, I see Daniel forgiving a lot of shit in your past once you don’t break your word to him, or harm people under his immediate protection. Which is why I am firm in my belief that the dwarves are never getting him to help them. They attacked and killed people under Daniel’s direct protection, and nearly made him break his word to the elves.
Who did Mara hurt? Priests (who do human sacrifice) that Daniel planned to kill eventually?
A bunch of peasants not under his protection?(who would have stringed him and his girls up in an instant if the Prince cried witch?)
Wizards who would kill and steal Daniel’s shit if they thought they could get away with it?(“see steelbinder, I told you the lad would have come around eventually “, what would have happened if he didn’t?)
Mara didn’t do enough damage to burn the bridge. Although if pissed me off the first time I read the book and saw him let Mara go after all the personal damage she did to him, I guess he knew what he was doing.
Daniel will forgive damage to himself. This is war and he is a fighter. He himself is not above sneaking in with a weapon of mass destruction. He really gets mad if you go for his noncombatants. His wives while fighting are likely a borderline case.
While that means that this particular dwarven clan is now firmly an enemy, I have doubts about Daniel extending this to the whole species. He is just not that much into grouping people.
At this level of power politics no-one is going to have clean hands, look at our own history. I think it was Joseph Stalin that said “one death is a tragedy, one-thousand a statistic.” That is the kind of mind set of players at this level of power.
It’s funny how you try and use a quote from Stalin to justify Mara’s actions. Reality check man, no one that is actually informed about the specifics of his reign thinks that the atrocities committed by Stalin were justifiable or that he’s anything other than a tyrannical villain.
Mara’s good in bed and had a shitty childhood, so I get why Daniel is sympathetic and tempted. But lot of people have shitty lives — especially in the story’s universe, where magical monsters and asshole gods exist. It doesn’t justify her joining the side that’s trying to wipe out humanity. And make no mistake, that is exactly what Loki’s side needs to do to kill the Aesir — get rid of their anchors (aka humans that believe in them). He gives her an alternative and asks her to join him and she says “no”. It’s like willfully joining the SS.
Hell, did everyone forget that SHE was the one who sent Nerfing (or whatever that sea serpent was called) to actually kill him when he was defrosting the river way to the sea? She also just stood there and watched while her brother was laying a divine level smackdown on Daniel. If they didn’t happen to be next to an open pit containing a frigging God-Eating monster, Daniel’s ticket could’ve been punched then and there. Never mind the fact that she basically raped him and forced him to betray his covenant. I know I’m probably in the minority but I really do hope Mara gets Game of Throne’d. It’d add a lot of spice to the series to have a major character actually die, and Mara is the perfect candidate since she’s sympathetic but also committed extremely evil acts.
Thanks for the ‘reality check’, but I think I need to re-emphasise the actual point of the post if read carefully. The Stalin quote is not to ‘justify’ Mara’s actions, nor would I disagree in the slightest with your villainous description of Stalin’s reign. It’s was simply used as an historic example of one extreme of the personal mind-set of power brokers when operating at the highest level of geo-politics. They don’t worry about the cost to the individual otherwise they’d be paralysed by the toll of their actions. The post was simply to highlight the callous disregard for the individual cost of their actions. Even if this is a fantasy setting, any being involved in this level of racial conflict is going to have to display some similar ruthless form of mind-set if they are going to be a realistic character. Daniel has just done the same, killed 8 million Andregi, (two million more individuals than the Nazi’s), and he’s not worried about the individual in this scenario. That’s a realistic mindset for him in the plot situation and this brutally simple response is believable as presented.
The difference between Daniel’s actions against the Andregi and Mara’s actions against humanity is that Daniel isn’t the aggressor. Mara went and freed Loki and all of the imprisoned evil beings that ended up allying with him thereby kicking off Ragnarok. And they’re worse than merely genocidal, because they aren’t just targeting one race for extermination. They’re condemning pretty much every sapient race that isn’t a part of their faction to extinction.
If you want to bring in WWII references, your allusion to the Nazis killing Jews is WAY off base when talking about Daniel’s radiation bomb. What Daniel did is basically akin to what the US did against Japan in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. A terrible tragedy, yes, but necessary and ACTUALLY JUSTIFIABLE in the circumstances. It’s estimated that 150k people died in Hiroshima and 70k died in Nagasaki. By contrast, they estimated 2 MILLION additional US deaths would’ve resulted from attempting to defeat the Japanese conventionally. Let alone how many more Japanese soldiers and civilians would have died. The WMD they used actually saved lives. And Daniel was similarly doing what he did to SAVE LIVES. He killed 8 Million Andregi to save the population of all of humanity.
By contrast, Mara, and the rest of Loki’s faction, are waging war just to settle an old grudge they have against a select few individuals, and to hell with how many innocent populations get caught in the crossfire. And according to what Hecate told Daniel, it turns out that EVERY human population in the WORLD might eventually be destroyed as a result of their actions. What Daniel did and what Mara/Loki’s faction is doing is nowhere near comparable. It’s the difference between premeditated murder, and self-defense. Night and Day. It is ridiculous that you’re trying to compare what he did with what the Nazi’s to the Jews.
That line they tell children about two wrongs not making a right is actually extremely incorrect. The aggressor is virtually always the one at fault. Wrongs used to redress a wrong CAN make a right. After all, it’s wrong to kill and it’s wrong to kidnap people and take away their freedom. And yet that is exactly what our justice system does to people who commit crimes — kill them or lock them away. They use a wrong to redress a wrong.
I don’t want to get too, too hung up here, but I like Mara better than the Æsir as an ally. The Æsir are legendary as@h0le$, and she is a better ally than they ever could be.
About Loki’s faction, “They’re condemning pretty much every sapient race that isn’t a part of their faction to extinction.” How is that NOT what the Æsir do? Look at how they started, and nearly finished, a genocidal war against the Olympians.
And, about Loki’s Faction, we don’t know what his faction is doing – we have virtually no information on them, and especially none about Loki.
You stated, “The aggressor is virtually always the one at fault.” The Æsir went to war with the Olympians when they complained about Loki’s bad behavior. So, why go to war with the Olympians when Loki ran off with Aphrodite? Odin committed his people to war to defend one of his ‘people’ breaking guest rules against the Olympians? I don’t see how that was necessary. If you look at the legends of Odin, you can see that he is a liar, deal breaker, and sneaky S.O.B. He has never been a stickerl about defending honor or the rules. Like the Trojan War, it sounds like political opportunity, not a justifiable or moral war. So, the Æsir killed as many of the Olympians as they could, and sentenced Aphrodite to be a sex toy eternally, and Loki to eternal torture. Like I said, legendary as@h0le$.
It looks to me like they knew the prophesy on this world, and if I were to guess, they jumped on the opportunity to carry out Loki’s sentence, BEFORE he got Balder killed (who would be reborn anyway, if you believe legends).
“Mara went and freed Loki and all of the imprisoned evil beings that ended up allying with him thereby kicking off Ragnarok.” However, and important fact is that, again, we don’t know the actually events. All we do know is that Loki took a different path then was shown in the legends from Earth. However, the fact is that the Æsir sentenced Loki to eternal torture, and gutted or imprisoned his children and hung them over his prison.
Again, the Æsir are legendary as@h0le$, inspiring vengeance from others… such as, for example, Mara. Again, we don’t know all the facts, but we do know she was raised knowing her father was being tortured on order from the Æsir. Right or wrong, in order to free him from his suffering she apparently believed, as you stated, that it was, “necessary and ACTUALLY JUSTIFIABLE in the circumstances.”
On top of that, don’t forget Gaia. She is, somewhat, on Loki’s side. However, on her own she is the elder goddess who has spent actual millennia plotting the full extinction of all humankind – actual and complete genocide.
Mara is willing to help Daniel with information about Gaia, and help him plot against her. A very useful ally, who’s big crime is killing his “not really” allies, and attacking him on order from her ‘masters.’ When given a chance, she stopped. When given a chance, she shielded him from Gaia, and the andregi (who are true monsters).
Also, on the subject of how, “they condemn… (anyone)… that isn’t part of their faction.” What will happen to Daniel and his wives ‘when’ they find out about his wives, and/or his origin?
So, knowing that the Æsir are not really his allies, that they will condemn him if he can ever reveal his true self to them, and that they are very likely to betray him eventually anyway, what is the actual, sensible thing for him to do? Who is the best ally for him?
“Crotch game” or not, Mara is a powerful, sympathetic, and much more natural ally than the Vinlanders, or the Æsir.
Re extinction: The Æsir are persecuting worshipers of the greek pantheon, but it’s a conflict isolated to Europe. According to Hecate, Loki’s Fimbulwinter and the Great Beasts unleashed during Raganarok will eventually spill into and destroy the rest of the world. That’s a pretty huge difference. I’m not saying the Æsir aren’t assholes. But they’re not trying to destroy the world — Loki is.
Daniel obviously can’t ally with the Æsir in the long term because they are enemies of Hecate and he’s Hecate’s champion. But just because he doesn’t ally with the Æsir, doesn’t mean he has to ally with Loki. Loki is worse than the Æsir. Which makes Mara worse than the Æsir because she is on Loki’s side.
You say we don’t know events. But I am actually IN the process of rereading the books atm. I’m on book 2. It says directly and unambiguously that the Unraveler (i.e. Mara) freed Loki and a number of powerful, evil destructive beings sealed away by Olympians and/or the Æsir. And Loki in turn began the Fimbulwinter and kicked off Raganarok. We get this info from both Hecate AND Narfing (the sea serpent). There are no unknowns here man.
You keep mentioning what the Æsir did to Loki as if it justifies trying to destroy the world. It doesn’t. Like I said, his beef is with the Norse Pantheon. Not the humans. The human populations they’re killing are a means to hurt the Æsir. But it isn’t the only means. Like Hecate said, they used to use imprisonment or devouring to handle Gods back before they realized they could kill them by destroying their anchors. Instead Loki just says “fuck the world let’s start an ice age, and ally with Gaea who literally wants to kill all the humans — and let’s help her do it as part of the deal.” You talk about what the Æsir did to the Olympians as if that justifies Loki’s actions. Dude. The Æsir took out the Olympians without kicking off an apocalyptic, world-wide, extinction level event. The case of Æsir vs Olympians is a contrast that highlights just how insane and evil Loki is — and by extension Mara for joining their side.
You’re calling Gaea “somewhat on Loki’s side”? Dude reread the story. Gaea sneaks in and has sex Loki under Sigyn’s nose to produce Mara. She raises Mara in secret, then has Mara free Loki to kick off Ragnarok. And in the most recent book, he gets her pregnant again in hopes of giving her the kind of child she wanted Mara to be. They aren’t “somewhat” allies. They are pretty much as closely allied as you can get. And as part of that alliance, Loki is helping Gaea kill all humans. Note how Hel’s minions (who belong to Loki) was assaulting the Veil Anchor hear Daniel’s fortress alongside the Andregi.
Mara is on Loki’s side. Loki is going after the Æsir in a way that will also destroy the world. Mara has OP seal/barrier breaking Unraveler abilities, making her a key enemy asset. Ergo, even if Daniel manages to kill Gaea, unless Mara renounces Loki (which she refuses to do), she is still in need of a thorough killing.
Remember too, that in both the Greek and Norse pantheons, none of the deities were characterised as being omnipotent or all seeing. All the gods displayed traits with readily identifiable human failings, greed, anger, envy, lust etc. These pantheons depicted gods which displayed tremendous power, but also reflected many of the vices and drives present everyday in the societies that produced them. Mara does not represent a nice ‘white-bread’ 20th-century conception of a goddess, and displays similar human vices to those characterised by the rest of the involved pantheons. I wont characterise her as a ‘poor girl trying to get by’, or any similar justification, but she is displaying just as many selfish ‘human’ motivations, as other the other gods and demi-gods in the story. It comes down to the readers perception of her actions and values, but I personally think she’s comparatively mild compared to some of her ‘peers’.
Ok. I am not saying Loki is NOT a psycho – he is part of the Æsir group, and they are all a$$h0l3$. I am just trying to be factual, and looking at things from different perspectives.
Note: Loki was the troubleshooter for Odin. According to the legends from Earth, when he wanted Asgard, he promised the giant builders the moon, and a goddess (which he could not in any way deliver) in exchange for building it for him. When the builders almost finish, Odin orders Loki to find a way to break the deal, which he does.
You wrote, “It says directly and unambiguously that the Unraveler (i.e. Mara) freed Loki and a number of powerful, evil destructive beings sealed away by Olympians and/or the Æsir. And Loki in turn began the Fimbulwinter and kicked off Raganarok. We get this info from both Hecate AND Narfing (the sea serpent). There are no unknowns here man.”
Nope – reread it. This is what Hecate said – “This war is going to change everything,” she said contemplatively. “Loki was a threat to Odin’s power before his imprisonment, when he only had his family and a few allies to call on. But now Gaea stands with him as well. Together they’ve somehow broken the seals on Tartarus, and released the horrors Zeus left chained there when he defeated the Titans. Many of them will fight for Gaea, and so will her countless children.”
Note – the words “together they’ve somehow broken the seals on Tartarus.” But, she noted the alliance of Loki WITH Gaea is the big threat. Also, Hecate was NOT there. She did not see it. She noted that Loki was a threat to Odin. She is assuming himself Loki did a lot, not someone acting in his name.
Gaea is absolutely his ‘nominal’ ally. Just because she had sex with him does not mean she has his best interest at heart. Even Hecate calls her a “venomous bitch” right in the book. So, show me anywhere in the book that says Loki called Gaea to his prison. Show me the deal they cut, to have a daughter. Show me anywhere in the book where we see or hear directly from a witness anything that Loki did.
Again, he probably did, but that is just not evident from the book. It’s all hearsay and speculation.
So, Loki went to Olympus, broke guest responsibility, and ran off with Aphrodite – or something like that. The war then started after that.
We don’t know the story. We heard all that from Cerise, who was not there.
These are the facts, as I read them from the books.
Fact: Gaea hates humanity.
Fact: Gaea snuck in to Loki’s Prison, and cut a deal with him to have a child.
Fact: Gaea has Mara’s Soul, and treats her badly.
Fact: Mara freed Loki, broke the seals of Tartarus, infiltrated Kozalin, and worked against it.
So, here is an idea. And, if there is any actual fact in the books that contradict it, please let me know.
Odin has a problem with Olympians, or sees an advantage, and so he sends in his trouble fixer to get them riled up. Loki does job as ordered, and steals away Aphrodite. For his trouble, Odin publicly has him imprisoned, and tortured. He likes this, it’s better for him, as it avoid Baldur being killed, and still gets Loki imprisoned.
Gaea wants to destroy humanity. She knows Loki. She sneaks into his prison and offers to have his child, to free him. Loki does not trust her, and alters her ‘child’s essence’ to be what he needs to get free, not whatever she wanted. She then steals Mara’s Soul. She raises Mara, in cruelty. She sends her slave-child to free Loki, but that is not enough to kill humans. She orders her slave-child to free the monsters of Tartarus. She pushes the Giant-Kin of Loki to start the Fimbulwinter.
Working on his own agenda, Loki sends Mara to Kozalin to bring down the Æsir Anchors.
I can see Loki being focused on taking down the Æsir, and not being in control for the world-ending problems. That could very well be all Gaea.
Mara is doing what she is ordered to do as a literal child-slave-soldier, and acting based on what she knows – which is what Gaea has literally bred her to be, and how the Vinlanders treat her (ie: badly).
So, like I said before, having her as an ally is whole heaps better than having the Æsir. I’ve seen the upcoming sneak peek chapters, and they deserve to be taken down. And, Gaea really, really, deserves to be taken down from all we’ve seen of her.
Daniel does not need to join Loki’s side to have Mara as an ally. Everything I see an reads makes her out to be a better ally than the Æsir group, which is what I said before.
Heh, just had two additional thoughts… nay inspirations!
If you were to replace the phrase – Loki did ‘x with “forces loyal to… (no strike that)… working for…. (nope, can’t exactly claim that)…. “forces apparently working for Loki did ‘x,’” everything would still work out the same.
“Forces apparently working for Loki started the Fimbulwinter.”
From the stories, Loki is tricky, not uber-powerful. Even Hecate stated directly, that she did not think that he could turn back Fimbulwinter. How is he personally able to put the whole freaking world in a deep-freeze. Why would he want a frozen world?
However, his kin, the ice giants, they would have the power, and would love it! They might not even have consulted with Loki, just seen that he is free, and shouted – “Loki is free, that is the sign to start the Fimbulwinter.”
And, everyone would attribute it to Loki!
And, so on.
But, that is a trivial side issue. This is the big one…
Assuming that Loki is as an evil bag of rotting d*cks as Gaea, Daniel would be a fool to turn away Mara, as he would be ignoring Gaea’s & Loki’s Epic Sized Blunders. Mistakes so big, they are on the list!
“I will not have a daughter. She would be as beautiful as she was evil, but one look at the hero’s rugged countenance and she’d betray her own father.”
“I will neither repress my Beautiful but Wicked Daughter… No one wants disgruntled offspring suddenly “seeing the light” and turning Good simply because mother dearest gave them an unhappy childhood.”
Those are #19 and #33 on the Evil Overlord List of mistakes NOT to make! With those two a-holes having made those mistakes, Daniel should definitely take advantage!
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The best way to think about this conflict is to see it as a total war. God wars have steadily escalated in brutality and stakes. Where before you risked punishment, now everybody risks extermination or the next best thing — of you and your followers. So now you have Loki’s faction fighting against the Odin faction. Both know that to lose is to bet banished (or otherwise gone forever) and both sides are willing to take extreme actions to make sure they do not lose.
WWII is a good example. Strategic bombing of cities would have been inconceivable before the war, but routinely used by both sides by the late war stage. Ditto with the total mobilization of all your industry to the cause of victory. They just did not do that prior to WWI. Steady progression toward total war.
In that context, Mara’s attack on the city was just that — an attack. In fact, it was a commando raid designed to take out a key target.
The Daniel characterization is probably accurate. He clearly responds to these attacks not as atrocities, but as war tactics. He defends humans because he is human — and because he sees them as individuals trapped between war factions of gods.
This is war, not a morality play. And Daniel is really not in a position to complain about indiscriminate killing.
Han-Christians…I will assume your user name is inspired by Fate/GO greatest 1 star (it a good taste as GO players).
You know very well Mara is basically Chaotic Neutral and given that Daniel is desperate for ally. From Daniel’s perspective what she killed is about thousand pawns and key supporter on Aesir’s side (the church). The pawn that will turn against him eventually since keeping the Coven secret was only a temp. measure from the start no one will shed tears if they die. Hell the attack on the church and the conclave basically remove their threat level against him by several fold…hell heshould be thanking her.
But here is a thing offing Gaia is not possible with killing supporter…Aesir still fail to kill the last supporter of Hecate even when and they managed to hack away both Zues and Hades who is her main allies. Gaia’s worshipers was even better defend than any defensive net Hecate’s can provide for her final lifeline and most of them are not even on midguard…nope. If I am Odin my plan is to remove from equation or contain her while I dealt with Loki…then after offing Loki find a way to chip away Gaia’s power for the next centuries or so.
Dan taking out Gaia in a conventional manner is impossible in logistic and time limit sense.
Nope the only way to win this fight was to steal or disable her Divinity. Find a way to cut her from her power source or May be transferred to Mara then whale on her…but it will be long research with heavy prices to pay
While Mara has killed many people directly. I was mainly talking about the possibly hundreds of thousands that are dead because of Ragnarok. Which was caused by her releasing her father. They speak about her willingness to kill half of europe for her father in this chapter, when in fact she already has. Possibly, she was unaware of his plans but I doubt it.
Was it in fact thousands, or was it hundreds killed?
Point of fact, she is an ‘agent’ for Gaia, is both bound to her, and hates her. Turning her to his side is a good move. It saved his life, and gave him some good intel, with the possibility of more assistance to come in the future.
She does in fact hate Asgardians, but then again, so does Daniel. He has killed his fair share of them – in Lanrest, when the Baron betrayed him. So, forgiving her, or just overlooking her attack, and betrayal would be sensible – as long as the wizards don’t find out. They will not be as accommodating.
I agree, Mara killed lots of Humans doing the invasion of the undead Plus the other attacks on the city. Plus you got to look at her breaking any bond with the coven at anytime she wants. I can’t see her being part of it.
well you know how Cerise is. If it gets her a chance to sleep with Mara she might just bypass logic just for the chance….. maybe say she is a follower like a mistress then at least she wouldnt be breaking her coven vows. Hell she still wanted her even after she tried to kill Daniel, trying make an excuse for her. She didnt try THAT HARD to kill you (just take away your amulet and try to shred you to pieces)
He should really just create a protection that isolates the damn island from everyone, and expand expand expand, even as he collects more refugees creates more farms and saves more races.
Really he is in the ideal possision to create an empire, i pitty that he doesn’t claim the area of Portugal and Spain, a little help from hecate to raise, mountains all over the coast, whit only four gates, put a lot of his power amulets and create a ward that doesn’t let the gods look inside and stops the weather even as he repairs the ley lines in his new territory and he would be golden.
If he moves at all, why not a nicely defendable island far away?
As opposed to conveying over contested land hundreds of people, three groves, other magical creatures and loads of equipment?
I am actually surprised that Daniel has not created a ‘fall back’ position, for the worst case scenario.
He has in a certain sense: Intrepid and the flight ring. If they can beat him in an extraordinary fortress, they will beat him in a backup, too. In a world where enemies can hear the grass grow, literally, Daniel will not maintain a secret secondary base.
If he needs to flee, he will have to remain mobile and his chances are not good.
Not a new base “in the north,’ but a base outside of the Aesir’s Area of Influence.
A nice island in the Mediterranean, or something like that. I am sure that Hecate would like that idea, so that all his eggs are NOT in one basket.
Yeah, very far away from conflict would be good.
Problem with the Mediterranean – it has the same problems that Vinland has. Book 2 mentions that “There’s snow falling in Sicily, Caspar!” Book 3 mentions that “The Franks have three of Gaea’s armies to deal with, and there are Great Beasts rampaging through Greece and Italy. Naples fell to a devourer” – so the Med really isn’t any better than where he is at the moment. Added on top of that – even if he was to get to the Caribbean, the new Ice Age is going to affect the whole world for centuries. Tropical islands will die from the climate change, and there won’t be enough time for biospheres to modify themselves, so the islands will become mostly grass, lichens, and bacteria, with some migratory birds. Those won’t be any better than what he already has.
If he can go outside without freezing, and plant his own crops without them freezing, he is better off on a deserted island.
If the water is not frozen, his defenses are better, and he can send out ships to get more of what he needs, and can bring in other people.
He is in the frozen north because his allies (dryads, etc.), and his Patron is still attached to the land of her birth.
Not entirely. The North is also a power vacuum potentially. Daniel is too well known by now. Nobody will let him establish a power base, with very good reasons. If he has to flee from Europe he will be a wretched refugee needing to hide or serve some foreigner ruler with hostages taken from him to make sure he obeys.
Why do people keep suggesting that Daniel leave the area. Hecate has already told him that the rest of the world will fall if Fimbulwinter is not stopped. Daniel has already decided that he is not going to just hide and let the world go to hell. Whether he has consciously decided or not, Daniel is clearly going to try and end the Fimbulwinter and drive back the Beasts.
And establishing a fall back base that is any good would take a lot of time. Time he does not have.
Really he should have just claimed Portugal and spain zone and along whit Hecate a lot of power amulets, raise a damn ward,mountains to close the coast, and wards to denie the gods the ability to spy on him along whit the ability to stop the weather, after all Hecate can alter the damn amullet to give even more power than what he is using, if he really wants to go all out, he could go the pentagon way create five giant mountains sacrifice them all to an element , put a giant power stone inside itch, connect them all to the one in the middle, raise walls connecting the mountains, and expand expand, as the wards protect him from the attencion of the gods,and the weather.
Another thing he could do was raise damn golems connect to him
An area that large wouldn’t be defensible in this situation. He doesn’t have the manpower to patrol a border that large, and mountains don’t block the children of Gaia. His best bet is a small defensible island like what he has. He can expand it, but just conquering an area would leave him open to raids and lower his response time. Plus he would also have to fight the lands true owners, which could be hundreds or even thousands of minor nobles. Every little village could have its own lord, meaning he would have to conquer each individually since news can’t travel quickly during Fimbulwinter. Plus he doesn’t even have the ability to do some of the stuff your suggesting. He would need to spend years researching to learn stuff if it is even possible, which defeats the purpose of doing it for protection from the war thats already happening.
Dude you might be overestimating his power and underestimating the gods.
he ate mentioned that at the scale the gods worked the amulet he made for her was just a minor divine artefact. Maybe he could manage what you describe if given enough time but actions on this scale would not be done in just a few hours and would attract the attention of every divine force in Europe and North Africa africa
It takes you longer to pump out books, but they are really worth the wait.
This already has my interest and I’m positive it will be another book that immediately grabs people into your world.
Set up is great. I look forward to the book.
Always leave them wanting more huh? Bring on Thrall!!!
Gogo Daniel – gives us the book already.
Well after you took your time to get it right 🙂
Waiting impatiently. And if you can, a rough publication date would be nice to get really hyped up beforehand.
Thanks for the preview, I can’t wait for the whole book.
If melting the moat isn’t feasible, he could always craft something like his Earth Talisman and set it to grow into a razor-wire bramble surrounding the city. Not a perfect defense, but it would be an added hassle to land-based invading forces, especially if it grows-back after being cut through.
Or he could just deploy more and/or better artillery, which has the added benefit of serving primarily him, not some city likely to starve to death in the near future anyway.
Well, artillery is good when you can target the enemy…. the moat stops them from sneaking in too easily, and stealth killing the people. Stops their cavalry from charging the walls too.
Love the story, but honestly I just want to know when we can read the entire book?!?
From the author’s patron page – “The full novel should be available in November, or possibly early December depending on how long it takes to get the cover art and audiobook recordings lined up.”
I don’t know if I can wait.
From the Author’s Page – “The complete novel will be released on December 1, so you won’t have long to wait for the rest of the story.”
So far I could only think of two scenarios where he could beat Gaia.
Destroying the anchor is logistically impossible. He had the resource but the time and the number are dead set against him.
This leaves only two way severed the connection between the anchor and Gaia. If the anchor is the river source and Gaia is a town this damming the river… something that he might pull off given his power set and the easiest method.
The second one is to nuke the town very existence conceptually. I know you are going to say she can come back but let me explain. This method was to cheat the very rule and condition for immortallity and force mortality on her. Anyone who know about Fate/GO Babylonia knew what I am talking about…and how freaking hard this is.
There’s a nice set of Titan-containment manacles available, as long as Mara chucks out Prometheus first…
I’m wondering if there’s any female descendants of royalty floating around?
While I can see everyone else in this society overlooking these female descendants (except maybe as marriage tokens). I can see Daniel looking at them as potential rulers and backing one of them.
Oh yes! Nice idea!
However, one thing I haven’t liked is when harems stories get too crowded, and that might do it.
He has his coven, and the nymph groves all vying for his attention as it is.
But, nice idea – assuming there are any of that area’s royal blood left.
which he has turned down all but his coven. According to the what we read in the books it seems even tina seems to prefer Cerise and avilla’s attention more than daniel. The only one who seems to favor daniel is elin and thats probably cause she is not really into group sex yet, but she did make a remark that there should be someone(elin) that is focused more on him, since Cerise and Avilla seem to like their alone time or as a pair. He really isnt into casual sex thats probably why he turns down the wolf ladies and nymphs and dryads. that and hygiene, sloppy sixths
any word on when it will be out? its over a week into October 2018 so far… I cant wait for this thing to come out! What is the link to his Patreon stories?
@JD. You should read all the comments. Some of his patreons said that he is hoping to release it 1st December 2018. If so We will get a general update first Week in November.
The King has a daughter, Caspar has a sister, if I recall correctly.
What is in for him? It looks almost as troublesome like ruling himself and carries fewer of the benefits. Her rule will be challenged.
Well done all, i have really missed the old blog! that thing was HUGE! two things to consider: 1) I think that he could use the demon summoner to summon a God eater like Biter and set a trap for Gaea and her sons, she would probably send the sons in first then she could show up in a Finale. 2) I would love to see the Black Island be expanded downward. imagine going down a few thousand feet, then doing one solid block of reinforced stone about a mile long and a quarter mile wide and 500 or 1000 feet deep setup with a continuous cathedral ceiling like some of the immense caves we see here. put a hundred feet of top quality soil and use it for the crops and livestock. it could also house thousands and be self contained with their water, air and sunlight spells. With it being underground, DB could even use it as part of the trap, allow the enemy to bore in but direct it enroute to trapped areas. he could even ward it against detection if he wanted to avoid all that. I cannot wait for this to be published! Let me know if you need an experienced proofreader/editing done.
One other thing that would be fun as hell and funny as hell too.. Imagine if he used the island building power stone to setup a wall outside the moat like a quarter mile outside the walls of Kozalin and only bring it up to just under the snow so it is not visible but it does encircle the entire city. Then he could go and setup banishment spells on the existing city walls. Get them to gather the wizards and nobility that is left and propose a new wall while they are all in visible range of the existing walls. then have hims just banish the existing walls and immediately raise the new walls higher and thicker than they were before while just using the tool. LOL, i think it would be hilarious 🙂 oh, i wasn’t asking if I could upgrade the wall, i was just letting you know it was done. 🙂
The idea of banishing walls cannot be new. Hence the city walls surely have enchantments to prevent precisely that.
The idea of banishing walls cannot be new. Hence the city walls surely have enchantments to prevent precisely that.
That’s probably what the ward stones installed in the walls do, among other things (structural enhancement, etc).
Anything can be destroyed with enough power. And Daniel can make a power stone to brute force the ward stones in the wall if he wishes.
But I don’t think he wants to cross the conclave. Now if they double cross him by say… stealing Elin now that she is better to force her to heal the people who used to beat her… All bets are off.
stealing Elin now that she is better to force her to heal the people who used to beat her.
While there are probably some wizards in the Conclave who’d do that, I don’t see Steelbinder condoning it. He strikes me as a reasonably smart and pragmatic man, and pissing off Black is neither a smart, nor a pragmatic, move.
Please post snippet #3, Mr Brown!
Also when do you anticipate publishing the book, a rough guesstimate will do.
I want moar
Heya buds, i was just on amazon and noticed that my reviews werent there for the series. i just went back in and reposted new reviews. Lets all make sure we all do reviews to make sure EWB gets the best exposure we can!!
September is coming to an end, is the Release date still going to be this month?
That’s what I want to know. If it isn’t maybe he should release an entire chapter instead of part of one.
Other authors I read usually release like 4 chapters before a release. By the rate Brown releases chapters it will be chapter one divided into 12 parts.
I’m slowly losing my hype. I read many Daniel-like books to try and fill the void, and a lot of them were so bad that I’m put off about reading magical engineering and becoming a god.
I don’t even want to reread the books now, even though I read them three times each(which is an accomplishment seeing that I haven’t reread a single book in decades). The push backs are just adding to the loss. When I got the announcement months ago I thought it would just be a month more of waiting…. But I couldn’t wait and ruined my appetite with oily greasy junk food.
This has been a slow process, I stopped participating in the open thread months ago because I lost interest in speculating, then I stopped reading it completely. The previews have been okay, but the hype is not there anymore.(notice I haven’t posted my fan-cover for thrall in the preview threads?)
Hopefully I can get a purge going in time to digest Mr’s Brown’s next work… But as it stands I don’t really care anymore.
Amazon Reviews are your friend – stop wasting time on low-grade imitations!
However Mr. Brown needs to be just a bit more proactive with his readers. Just a simple something once a month to let us know he’s alive (a half page snippet now an then even if it doesn’t get published would be nice).
And when he’s posting spoilers, 1 chapter ever 2 week to 1 month before publishing…. the wait is getting OLD. I’ve re-read the DB series at least three times and Alice at least three times since that book came out.
Heh… I am on about 5th read. But, that is mostly just because I enjoy them. I do have many other authors that I follow.
One in particular is active on their boards, and tweets… however they just this year ended the one series of theirs that I like. So, of the two – being quite and continuing to publish the stories I like, or being active, and no longer working on the series I loved…. I will take the former.
Daniel Black was the first book of it’s kind that I read. I read hundreds of books before, but after reading Daniel Black I spiraled downwards. Books I previously ignored because of the bad blurbs, or books that weren’t even on my radar, suddenly became paramount after getting a taste of Daniel and being denied a second helping.
I read so much trash, and found so few diamonds in the rough. I even started LITRPG which I never read before Daniel. And while a lot of them started with a good first book, they (most) devolved into utter excrement filled with repeats of stats as much as possible to increase the world count, and a juvenile craze over coffee. Many of these books stooped to immature writing / behaviours on the protagonist’s part, or obvious politically correct pandering that devastated the narrative.
What I like about Daniel’s series is that over the course of years he (Daniel) stayed the same, Daniel didn’t just switch personalities at the drop of a hat, and he stayed mature and decisive. A lot of these other works the protag starts out mature, then turns into a 13 year old playing a video game. It’s Infuriating that I can’t find decent well written books where magic is used to build things.
You might try Will Wight’s _Cradle_ series: https://www.amazon.com/Will-Wight/e/B00D9S1IMO/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1538067200&sr=8-1.
I’ve enjoyed it, for what that’s worth. The author’s word choices occasionally grate, but I blame the school system for that.
@Jab. Read Already.
It’s entirely possible that I originally heard about it from you @Kervyn:-).
Well, there’s always the classics: anything by Poul Anderson. Heinlein’s juveniles. De Camp. Those are pretty timeless.
I highly recommend Christopher Nuttall
Mask of the Template (Cebelius), The Ritualist (Dakota Krout), Tamer, King of the Dinosaurs (Michael-Scott Earl), Morningwood, Everyone Loves Large Chests (Neven Iliev), Ancient Ruins (Benjamin Medrano). Black Friday (Jan Stryvant) – which is modern, but with good magic stuff and making.
Tamer is most like Daniel Black, but without spellcrafting. But, it is built around building to survive.
Mask if the Template has a ‘pulled into another world’ basis, but he is a Mixed Martial Artist, not a mage. But, the characterization, and the story, and the poignancy (harem girl number three) is very good.
Ancient Runes has a lot of good spellcrafting, and making, but done from a ‘dungeon core’ perspective.
Black Friday has a lot of magic making, and crafting, and a decent M.C. It is modern day, but with good pacing and tension – if an overly large harem.
Ritualist is not really Daniel-like (no harem for one). And, the character is an a game world, not a different dimension, but the story, and magic system, and cleverness are there.
Morningwood is pure parody of a dungeon core-fantasy world. Something for a laugh, while we wait for the next teaser, or the next book.
Tamer. From the blurbs and acquaintances reading this I will pass. They warned me that “it gets good in book 2”.
Mask if the Template. I’m not reading Daniel Black for the erotica or harem. I am reading it for the magic and magic building. Goodreads shows that this book is pure erotica.
Ancient Runes. Goodreads has a “Glbt > Lesbian” tag. No thanks. I hate pandering in my books.
Black Friday. Oh it’s that Valen’s Legacy thing with the catgirl wife. No thanks.
Ritualist. I enjoyed book one, but not two. I liked his Dungeon Core Trilogy better.
Morningwood. This was really funny. The second book dropped in quality some, but it was a ridiculously funny premise.
“Tamer. From the blurbs and acquaintances reading this I will pass. They warned me that “it gets good in book 2”.”
I thought it was good from the start. They put in a lot of hard work, had to plan things out well – or they died. They each had a “power,” which was a bit magical (game-ified), but not spell crafting. So, not quiet D.B, but was intriguing to me, each character focusing on an area to design – Barriers, Hygiene, Food, etc. Ah well.
“Mask if the Template. I’m not reading Daniel Black for the erotica or harem. I am reading it for the magic and magic building. Goodreads shows that this book is pure erotica.”
Their wrong. But, the lack of spellcasting by the M.C., and the focus on hand-to-hand fighting made a significant difference from D.B. But, the characterization was stronger, in my opinion.
“Ancient Runes. Goodreads has a “Glbt > Lesbian” tag. No thanks. I hate pandering in my books.”
Pandering? Different tastes then, but I don’t actually remember any sex scenes, so I can’t say it is pandering. And, I liked the magic system, and the spellcrafting, especially the “high ritual” things. And, I love the idea of a ‘dungeon’ that (by book 2), could make ‘steam golems.’ And, what they did to the goddess was awesome! Talk about thinking big! Ah well.
“Black Friday. Oh it’s that Valen’s Legacy thing with the catgirl wife. No thanks.”
“Ritualist. I enjoyed book one, but not two. I liked his Dungeon Core Trilogy better.”
Personally, I think he got better as a writer, and the concept was stronger in this series. And, I thought book 2 was funnier! The idea of a group of hard core dungeon delvers skipping down the road was hilarious!
“Morningwood. This was really funny. The second book dropped in quality some, but it was a ridiculously funny premise.”
Yep, and yep.
@Darkall. I will give ancient runes a try then. sometime in the future (by how the author is going before Daniel Black 4 is released)
@Kervyn I actually think that the Valance Legacy is the closest to Danial Black. I think the magic system is very similar and may actually be better thought out. The author is also better about cranking out books. As for cat girl wife isn’t that a parallel to Tina in Danial Black?
I also think that Ancient Runes has a good magic system in it and while I would not say it is similar to Danial Black it is not to far and there is no graphic sex that I can remember
@Paul. That Valen cover is setting off all sorts of alarm bells. A cheetah /leopard in a one piece. The fight stance. I read too many bad books recently to trust it. It doesn’t help that I saw the most recent book in that series, and it’s about all his wives doing something? Can’t remember.
It’s not about magic system. It’s not about how much sex the person has. It’s about the character’s maturity. Case in point:
Gamer for Life by Daniel Schinhofen. It started off okay, had bad parts but you expected improvements. The books got progressively worst. The author was filling word counts by having frigging Shakespeare plays talking up a quarter of the book. And everyone hand holding fluff.
The Trapped Mind Project by Michael Chatfield. This looked promising but the character got more immature by each new book. They weren’t serious enough. Then you have the eyebrows raising and fist pumping. I only read because of the crafting, but then he wasn’t even doing that anymore. Had to drop that series quick.
@Kervyn I think in this case don’t be put off by the cover. Although really Danial Black could have a similar cover with all of his carnal interest. Obviously your read time is your own but of all of the books I have read (and I get my monies worth out of KU) I think these two series are the closest.
@Paul. To each his own. I read too many books to fall easily for others. MANY of the books I read people told me not to do it… I end up with a lot of reader’s remorse by the end.
@ Darkall. I read Ancient Ruins. It was lesbian, but it wasn’t pandering to certain people or felt forced. I enjoyed it and will pick up the sequels. Quite surprised it was this good.
Books that prominently state that it’s “gay” usually gets a wide berth from me. Those authors just focus on being gay and leave whatever plot or story behind. They build the entire book on and around being gay, and that is what pisses me off. I want a story, not erotica.
Now people might say that Daniel Black is about the protagonist’s junk. But there is a story, and the author doesn’t fill pages upon pages of sex scenes about Daniel being an Alpha Male Chad that just constantly braces girls against the walls. He is surviving the best he can… The books I read that were pro gay was just constantly filled with gay sex and revolved around gay sex…. never again.
Glad you liked it. I thought it was well done as well (obviously, since I recommended it I guess).
On a completely different note – I found a book called “Didn’t I Say To Make My Abilities Average In The Next Life?!” A funny and ridiculous Isekai series up to book 4.
Did you see my list of books below? Search the page for “nightlord” and you should find it. Tell me what you think.
[i][b]”I found a book called “Didn’t I Say To Make My Abilities Average In The Next Life?!” A funny and ridiculous Isekai series up to book 4.”[/b][/i]
Looked it up. Too anime for me. The powerful loli thing, isn’t my thing.(plus it’s a manga/light novel/w/e myanimelist has it as).
September Ends Sunday. Will we get an update along with whatever on Monday?
Well Goodreads has the book officially listed. So I guess it will be released soon.
From the Author’s Paetron Page – “The complete novel will be released on December 1, so you won’t have long to wait for the rest of the story.”
Two months……. I hope those books I picked up keeps me till then.
I don’t think authors understand the mental strain it puts on persons to wait 2 months /2 years to get something you will finish in one day.
I hope he doesn’t end this book on a cliffhanger. It reflects poor on a author who just abruptly ends a novel.
Glynn Stewart, Mark Henwick,Chris Nuttall are excellent, started reading then using Kindle unlimited, WORTH, the 10 bucks a month. Then I started buying all their books. Will give Will Wight a read.
I read mostly Baen authors, Weber, Ringo and others. But, I recommend checking out J. D. Dobbs in Death series, Jane Lindskolds Firekeeper series, Chris Clarmonts High Frontier series – only the first is available as a ebook, Ilona Andrew’s Kate Daniel series, Lisa Emmes Harry Ruso series is a favorite of my sister, Tamora Pierces Tortall series – my nieces LOVE this series, you can be sure that when they are older I will make sure they fall in love with Honor Harrington!
I appreciate the recommendations!!
Chris Nuttall has good settings but lacks in execution in my opinion.
The Terran Fleet Command Saga by Tori L. Harris is nice Military Sci-Fi.
Demons of Astlan by J.L. Langland is good Fantasy with a lot of Comedy.
Honorverse was good until the first truce. The plot until the second truce was okay but the whole Mesan Allignment plot is just to keep the story artificial alive.
Not sure anyone has mentioned but was mentioned in the 2nd book when they entered the city, that the prince has 2 brothers and a sister. Would be interesting to have the princess show up and want to marry Daniel.
I can see a Princess trying to get in on Daniel’s growing power base.
Especially if she is sickly, or something to that extent.
It would make Caspar do barrel rolls in his grave to find out Daniel is laying DEEP connections nightly to the Royal heir.
Read Crafle 1-5 on like 2 days or so thanks to Kindle Unlimited. Then I bought all 5 today, looking forward to #6.
Check lit blaise corvin if you haven’t already his main series is a light litrpg but is actually well thought out rather than tacked on. At least in my eyes plus dolos is freaking hilarious.
The first book in the Delvers series was “okay” the follow up was horrible pandering and a literal anime fight sequence. Worst Tripe I read for the month(in the month I read it).
I think I will post my good lists for others. They have two months wait for Thrall (maybe more).
Cradle series that is….
Maybe I should compile all the books i read to fill Daniel Black’s void, that I recommend.
Would have to dig through goodreads.
Here are some books you might find palatable to fill that hole Daniel left in you.
Too many books for me to give a little run down of each.
Rivers of London by Ben Aaronovitch
The Trysmoon Saga by Brian K. Fuller
Good Intentions by Elliott Kay (first book only)
Wild Wastes by Randi Darren
Everybody Loves Large Chests by Neven Iliev
Super Sales on Super Heroes by William D. Arand
Otherlife by William D. Arand
Alpha World by Daniel Schinhofen (got worst with every new installment)
Confessions of a D-List Supervillain by Jim Bernheimer
The (sort of) Dark Mage by Nelson Chereta
Demons of Astlan by J.L. Langland
Dr. Anarchy’s Rules For World Domination by Nelson Chereta
Demon Accords by John Conroe
Dungeon Deposed by William D. Arand
Dungeon Born by Dakota Krout
Ritualist by Dakota Krout
Nightlord: Sunset by Garon Whited (first book only)
Bobiverse by Dennis E. Taylor
Orconomics by J. Zachary Pike
Those should keep you all till next year.
I will get back to you guys if Ancient Ruins that was recommended here is any good.
Good Intentions one of my fav raves! I second that motion.
Wild Wastes – book two was horrible, but three more or less ended well.
Large Chest! Oh yeah, good stuff. The chest reminds me of Players I know.
Super Sales 1 good, next ‘meh.’
Confessions of a D-List: long time fan, waiting for next book this year.
Dark Mage – heh, another favorite.
Dr. Anarchy – good stuff, anther fav rave.
Dungeon Born & Ritualist – yes, with Ritualist as my preference. Met the author at Dragon Con. Good dude.
Not quite Fimbulwinter-style (no harem), but absolutely unique in it’s own way: The March North (and the rest of the Commonweal sequence) by Graydon Saunders .
Have you ever wondered what the world would be like it it was for quarter million years ruled (and repeatedly more-or-less destroyed) by mighty and nasty sorcerers (being weak or nice was not survivable) with a penchant for genetic engineering as applied to the invention of sentient species (for slaves) and weaponization of non-sentient ones (for killing other sorcerers)?
You either love it or hate it, there is no middle ground – see reviews at https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21801573-the-march-north
Not available on Amazon, but Google Play is your friend.
That is the worst blurb I ever saw in my life. His blurb is the same as you see on a book cover.
By design, and for the same purpose.
One thing I can say is that the Commonweal books are slow reading, so they should be able to help (some) people to keep their sanity while waiting for the Thrall.
Also, I’m very curious about the correlation coefficient between the set of the Fimbulwinter fans and the set of the Commonweal fans. I feel it should be positive, unless the current version of civilization is joyfully going to hell in a slimy basket 🙂
Did you read any of those books on my list? Or are you one of those with endless patience? Can you wait another 4 years for thrall and not fret?
Anyone noticed that the blog is dropping on google search? It used to be number 3, but it dropped to number 10. While the old blog jumped to number 5.
Has there been any word from the author recently? Release date, previews, anything?
WOOOOOOT!!!!!! PRE-ORDERED!!!!!!!!! 😀
The book is out on Amazon for preorder release date 1 Dec 2018
It had more pages than book one, but books 2 and three has more than Thrall.
Huff… so yes I finished chapter 1 and I am figthing against myself not to just jump to chapter 2 this star is great, Daniel promise of raising in power, wodering what type of God he migth come to become. And what dangers he is bound to encounter once he does.